A commenter said :
What then, is the fundamental difference between the 1 year old poor child and the 8.5 month baby about to be born into poverty?
I dont’ ask that rhetorically. Tell us the age when you generally
believe a “independent existence” begins. The age where you’d look at
the thing and say “yep, that’s a person”. Then subtract 1 day. Tell
us, biologically, what is the difference between the two?
The age an independent existence begins? Easy, obvious, common sense – Birth, whether that is natural or C-Section or some other method of becoming able to breathe.
Subtract one day? Not much difference. However, nobody, least of all me, is advocating for abortion at 8.5 months. His
comment is a distraction and distortion – and quite frankly monstrous. One must wonder why they must sink to such methods to support their cause.
about something that is actually being discussed? Subtract Three Months from birth
– LOTS of difference. Right at the end of the second trimester, it
can’t exist outside the host, its not a person. Still, nobody is advocating
for abortion after this point.
Even more appropriate, subtract SIX
months. At the end of the first trimester – still an alien looking thing, still not a person. Abortion after this point should only be done if
there is a great risk to the mother’s health or life. Before this
point… it should be left up to her, not a judge, not a legislator – her, her doctor and
(if any) her family.
Now, what this amendment wants to do, subtract Eight and a
half months. It is two to four cells and not even implanted yet. It is
still at least a week before the woman becomes pregnant. Sure as the
sun, a clump of cells is not a person.
I put living, breathing people above unborn. 26 will do great damage to the Life, Liberty and Happiness of lots of real, living, breathing people. ( articles below )
Before birth, a pre-embryo (fertilized egg) is a not-very-likely
potential life, an embryo is a potential life, a fetus is a very
potential life. There are medically recognized stages of development
(Trimesters), therefore there are differences in the ratio of rights
between the living, breathing woman and the potential life inside her.
having a fertilized egg inside her does not automatically negate all of
her rights, nor does she loose rights up to two weeks later when she
might become pregnant, nor three months after that. There is a ratio
that starts with all rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of
happiness belonging to the woman and gradually reaches a level of
almost equality between the woman and potential life inside her. I say almost here because until viable birth, I still put the woman before the potential life – even if her choice is ‘save my baby’ instead of her.
I will never support making a law to dictate someone else’s choices. i26
makes it law that two cells inside a woman instantly have more right to
life than her liberty. You can have that belief and act that way in your
life and that is fine with me, but I will vote No to that being the
How can we know what will happen with ‘personhood?’ We just have to look at those places where embryonic ‘personhood’ is already the law. You think it can’t happen here? Then you need to wake up, wise up and think again! Review this Slate article and follow their links. In October 2007, The Guardian reported :
Last November it became a crime for a woman to have an abortion in
Nicaragua, even if her life was in mortal danger. So far it has resulted
in the death of at least 82 women. (11 months, 82 deaths)
This article outlines why it is such a horrible idea for Mississippi specifically. We are already the worst state in the Union by most measures. If 26 passes, it will only get worse.
This article, by a Mississippi Lawyer, outlines a lot of the legal issues with i26.
This article uses some interesting language – but it is long and technical and by a lawyer. Still worth a read if you have the time and inclination, which I did.
It might be more plausible to say that a fetus at this stage is
a person, but that the person’s physical occupation of another person
calls for a moral and legal approach that is distinct from what we
ordinarily use in analyzing violence between two persons.
This is very interesting. It suggests, to me anyway, a use of the Castle Doctrine to support elective abortion at any stage. A little extreme, but no more so than the ‘personhood’ of a few cells well before pregnancy occurs.
I liked the following lines as well :
The zygote or embryo does
have human DNA, however, and pro-life advocates can accordingly call it
a “person” as a way of saying that it is not a plant or a snail,
neither of which would have human DNA. But human skin cells also have
human DNA, yet no one would call them “persons.”
LOVED her wrap-up :
To make a fully informed decision about what one thinks of the abortion
issue, however, it is useful to remain aware that the word “person” can
effectively distract us from three sorts of facts that are truly
pertinent to the abortion question: facts about the developing embryo
and fetus at various stages; facts about what happens to a woman’s body
when she is pregnant; and facts about what occurs when the government
legally requires women to remain pregnant and give birth against their
And, the Comments section!
Diogenes_Lantern 3 weeks agoJust saying by reference, when I watch the In Memoriam part of
This Week on Sunday mornings, I feel sorrow at every war death, but the
feeling is deeper when the soldier is older. It is nice that we value
innocence but it should not be valued more than a life lived. Wisdom
and knowledge are far more valuable than innocence. Were I ever in the
untenable position of having to choose between the life of an adult
woman over the life of her unborn child, I’d move for the woman every
It also makes no sense to force a fetus into a life that
will very likely only result in harm to it. For instance, unwanted
pregnancies for reasons of alcoholism, drug addiction, rape, incest,
disease, genetics (oh, I can hear the screams of eugenics as I write,
but the decision lies solely with the mother-to-be) and other well-known
horrors for an infant to be forced to endure.
And for me, the
argument that a person has a right to control his or her own body in
every way, stands strong among what I believe to be inalienable human